from him, for he was born in 33 AH, and Kaʿb died after the year 50 AH. And Allah knows best.

I then found another route for this hadith, through Abū Salamah Sulaymān ibn Sulaym, from Ibn Jābir, who said:

“The people gathered in Jerusalem, intending to pledge allegiance to Muʿāwiyah in accordance with that upon which the community had united. Among them were ʿAbd Allāh ibn Ḥawālah and Kaʿb ibn Murrah. Then ʿAbd Allāh ibn Ḥawālah stood and said …” He then cited the hadith in a manner similar to the narration of Jubayr ibn Nufayr, except that, as you see, he made Ibn Ḥawālah the first speaker and Kaʿb the other speaker.

Ibn Abī ʿĀṣim transmitted it (1293).

Its narrators are trustworthy, but its chain is interrupted, because Ibn Jābir—namely Yaḥyā al-Ṭāʾī al-Ḥimṣī—was a Follower of the Successors and did not meet any of the Companions. *

3120—(When two men answer the call of nature, each of them should conceal himself from the other, and they should not speak while relieving themselves, for Allah intensely detests that.)

Abū ʿAlī ibn al-Sakan said: Yaḥyā ibn Muḥammad ibn Ṣāʿid narrated to me: al-Ḥasan ibn Aḥmad ibn Abī Shuʿayb al-Ḥarrānī narrated to us: Miskīn ibn Bukayr narrated to us, from al-Awzāʿī, from Yaḥyā ibn Abī Kathīr, from Muḥammad ibn ʿAbd al-Raḥmān, from Jābir ibn ʿAbd Allāh, who said: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said … and he cited it.

This is how it appears in Al-Wahm wa-l-Īhām (2/142/2) by Ibn al-Qaṭṭān, who said:

“Ibn al-Sakan said: ʿIkrimah ibn ʿAmmār narrated it from Yaḥyā ibn Abī Kathīr, from Hilāl ibn ʿIyāḍ, from Abū Saʿīd, from the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him; and I hope that both are authentic.”