513 — Ali ibn Muhammad ibn Ahmad ibn Bikran informed us: al-Hasan ibn Muhammad ibn Uthman informed us; Ya'qub ibn Sufyan related to us, saying: I heard Abu Hashim Ziyad ibn Ayyub say:

I said to Abu Abd Allah Ahmad ibn Hanbal, “O Abu Abd Allah, a man said, ‘The Quran is created,’ and I said to him, ‘O disbeliever!’ Do you consider me sinful for this?”

He replied, “Abd al-Rahman ibn Mahdi used to say: ‘If I had a relative among them and he then died, I would not inherit from him.’”

Then a man from Khurasan said to him in Persian, “Should I say that one who declares the Quran to be created is a disbeliever?” He replied, “Yes.”