Majmu' al-FatawaIbn Taimiya

Thus, the reality of fire is present, even though this particular flame is not that one. Yet fire and knowledge are not like speech conveyed on another’s behalf. Rather, their case resembles that of someone who hears another’s speech or poetry and then produces something of the same kind, saying something similar to what the other person said. As the saying goes:

“One thought may coincide with another, just as one hoofprint may fall upon another.”

This has nothing to do with conveying or transmitting another’s words.

(For the words someone utters:

“Indeed, everything apart from Allah is vain,”

are Labīd’s words, however people recite or write them. The poetry someone recites here is Labīd’s very own poetry.

If it is said, “The poetry that subsists in us is the same as that which subsisted in Labīd,” the reply is: “If what is meant by this is that the poetry, considered in itself… If what is meant is that the very thing that subsisted in his being left his being and passed into us, that is not so. Likewise, if what is meant is that the very attribute peculiar to that person, such as his movement and voice, is identical to the attribute peculiar to us, such as our movement and voice, that is not so.”) (*).

Your statement, “This is the same as that,” is therefore an expression whose ambiguity is clarified by its context. If you say, “This speech is the same as that,” or “This poetry is the same as that,” you are speaking truthfully. But if you say, “This voice is the same as that,” the statement is false.

When people say, “This is Labīd’s poetry,” they mean only what is common to both

Shaykh Nāsir ibn Hamad al-Fahd said (p. 110): His statement here, “If what is meant by this is that poetry, considered in itself, if what is meant is that the very thing that subsisted in his being departed from his being and passed into us, that is not so,” contains an obvious omission, since “If what is meant by this…” is a conditional clause without a consequent. A few pages earlier, the Shaykh used similar conditional clauses, saying (12:535–536): “If someone asks, ‘Is this hadith, which the hadith scholar has recited and which subsists in him during the recitation, the speech of the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, which subsisted in him when he uttered it and was an attribute of his, or not?’ he is told: ‘If you mean that the hadith, considered in itself, is the speech of the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, which subsisted in him when he uttered it and was an attribute of his, then yes. This hadith, considered in itself, is the speech of the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him. But if you mean that what is peculiar to the reciter—his movements and sounds—is what subsisted in the Messenger, that is not so.’” On the basis of this passage, the correct wording of the earlier statement would be—and Allah knows best: “If what is meant by this is that poetry, considered in itself, [is Labīd’s poetry, which subsisted in him when he uttered it and was an attribute of his, then yes; and] if what is meant is that the very thing that subsisted in his being departed from his being and passed into us, that is not so…”
فَالْحَقِيقَةُ النَّارِيَّةُ مَوْجُودَةٌ وَإِنْ كَانَتْ هَذِهِ الْعَيْنُ لَيْسَتْ تِلْكَ؛ لَكِنَّ النَّارَ وَالْعِلْمَ لَيْسَ هُوَ مِثْلَ الْكَلَامِ الَّذِي يُبَلَّغُ عَنْ الْغَيْرِ؛ بَلْ هُوَ مِثْلُ أَنْ يَسْمَعَ بَعْضُ النَّاسِ كَلَامَ غَيْرِهِ وَشِعْرَ غَيْرِهِ فَيَقُولُ مِنْ جِنْسِ مَا قَالَ وَيَقُولُ كَمَا قَالَ غَيْرُهُ مِثْلَهُ. كَمَا يُقَالُ: وَقْعُ الْخَاطِرِ عَلَى الْخَاطِرِ كَوَقْعِ الْحَافِرِ عَلَى الْحَافِرِ وَلَيْسَ هَذَا مِنْ التَّبْلِيغِ وَالرِّوَايَةِ فِي شَيْءٍ (فَإِنَّ قَوْلَ الْقَائِلِ: أَلَا كُلُّ شَيْءٍ مَا خَلَا اللَّهَ بَاطِلٌ هُوَ كَلَامُ لَبِيَدٍ كَيْفَ مَا أَنْشَدَهُ النَّاسُ وَكَتَبُوهُ؛ فَهَذَا الشِّعْرُ الَّذِي يُنْشِدُهُ هُوَ شِعْرُ لَبِيَدٍ بِعَيْنِهِ. فَإِذَا قِيلَ: الشِّعْرُ الَّذِي قَامَ بِنَا هُوَ الَّذِي قَامَ بلبيد. قِيلَ: إنْ أُرِيدَ بِذَلِكَ أَنَّ الشِّعْرَ مِنْ حَيْثُ هُوَ هُوَ إنْ أُرِيدَ أَنَّ نَفْسَ مَا قَامَ بِذَاتِهِ فَارَقَ ذَاتَه وَانْتَقَلَ إلَيْنَا؛ فَلَيْسَ كَذَلِكَ وَكَذَلِكَ إنْ أُرِيدَ أَنَّ عَيْنَ الصِّفَةِ الْمُخْتَصَّةِ بِذَلِكَ الشَّخْصِ كَحَرَكَتِهِ وَصَوْتِهِ هِيَ عَيْنُ الصِّفَةِ الْمُخْتَصَّةِ بِنَا كَحَرَكَتِنَا وَصَوْتِنَا فَلَيْسَ كَذَلِكَ) (*) . فَقَوْلُك: هَذَا هُوَ هَذَا لَفْظٌ فِيهِ إجْمَالٌ يُبَيِّنُهُ السِّيَاقُ. فَإِذَا قُلْت: هَذَا الْكَلَامُ هُوَ ذَاكَ أَوْ هَذَا الشِّعْرُ هُوَ ذَاكَ كُنْت صَادِقًا. وَإِذَا قُلْت هَذَا الصَّوْتُ هُوَ ذَاكَ كَانَ كَذِبًا. وَالنَّاسُ لَا يَقْصِدُونَ إذَا قَالُوا: هَذَا شِعْرُ لَبِيَدٍ إلَّا الْقَدْرَ الْمُتَّحِدَ
قال الشيخ ناصر بن حمد الفهد (ص ١١٠): وقوله هنا (إن أريد بذلك أن الشعر من حيث هو هو إن أريد أن نفس ما قام بذاته فارق ذاته وانتقل إلينا، فليس كذلك) فيه سقط ظاهر، فإن قوله (إن أريد بذلك. . .) جملة شرطية لا جواب لها. وقد ذكر الشيخ قبل هذه الصفحة بصفحات قلائل ما يشبه هذه الجمل الشرطية، فقال (١٢/ ٥٣٥، ٥٣٦) (فإذا قال القائل: هل هذا الحديث الذي قرأه المحدث القائم به حين القراءة هو كلام النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم، الذي قام به حين تكلم به وكان صفة له أم لا؟ قيل له: إن كنت تريد: أن نفس الحديث من حيث هو هو كلام النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم، الذي قام به حين تكلم به كان صفة له، فنعم. هذا الحديث من حيث هو هو كلام النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم، وإن كنت تريد: أن ما اختص بالقارئ من حركاته وأصواته هو القائم بالرسول، فليس كذلك). فمن هذا النص يكون صواب العبارة السابقة والله أعلم: (إن أريد بذلك أن الشعر من حيث هو هو [شعر لبيد الذي قام به حين تكلم به كان صفة له فنعم، و] إن أريد أن نفس ما قام بذاته فارق ذاته وانتقل إلينا، فليس كذلك. .).

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