“What is your judgment regarding the Muhakkimah among the Khawarij?”

He answered, “They are the vilest of the Khawarij.”

I then asked, “Do you pronounce takfīr on them—do you declare them unbelievers?”

He replied, “No; however, we fight them in the very way the righteous imams fought them—such as ʿAli and ʿUmar ibn ʿAbd al-ʿAziz.”

I said,