eternal—or rather, unless beginningless originated occurrences are ruled out. This is a problematic premise. Indeed, the discussions of the speculative theologians and philosophers concerning the finite and the infinite contain inconsistencies that this is not the place to address. They therefore needed to establish this premise through arguments they committed themselves to applying consistently. This gave rise to further doctrines, such as denying finitude in the future. Some groups—including al-Jahm—even maintained that the world must perish, since it must be finite both in its beginning and in its end. Thus, he held that Paradise and Hell would perish, while Abū al-Hudhayl maintained that motions must cease, among other doctrines.