and others. The general tenor of the early generations’ statements supports this. This is connected with the question of newly occurring events subsisting in Him. He has stated that no rational proofs rule out newly occurring events subsisting in Him, and that all groups are logically bound to affirm this. Accordingly, it would not be impossible for Him to rise over the Throne after not having risen over it. Since, on either view, it is not impossible for Him to come to be above the Throne, even though in pre-eternity there was no throne for Allah to be above, this refutes his claim that if the Creator’s occupying a particular spatial locus is temporally originated, then He was not in a spatial locus in pre-eternity, and that it is impossible for something of this kind to become