the Jahmiyyah, from several shaykhs, including Ibn Bashshār, who related it from Jubayr ibn Muhammad ibn Jubayr ibn Mut‘im, from his father, from his grandfather, who said:

A Bedouin came to the Messenger of Allah (may Allah bless him and grant him peace) and said, “O Messenger of Allah, people are suffering hardship, families have been left destitute, wealth has been depleted, and livestock have perished. Ask Allah to send us rain, for we seek your intercession with Allah, and Allah’s intercession with you.”

The Messenger of Allah (may Allah bless him and grant him peace) said, “Allah is not to be sought as an intercessor with any of His creation. Allah’s majesty is far greater than that. Woe to you! Do you know who Allah is? His Throne is above His heavens like this”—and he gestured with his fingers to indicate a dome overhead—“and it creaks with Him upon it, as a saddle creaks beneath its rider.”

In Ibn Bashshār’s version, he said, “Allah is above His Throne